Fed Up!

I received the below email forward this morning (No edits were made to the grammar or spelling):

 Subject:  The Beast in Revelations

This will make you re-think: A Trivia question in Sunday School:

How long is the beast allowed to have authority in Revelations?    

Revelations Chapter 13 tells us it is 42 months, and you know what that  
is, 3 1/2 years.
   Almost a four-year term of a Presidency.

All I can say is “Lord, Have mercy on us!”

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ will:  

 

Be a man, in his 40’s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations  
with
 Persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal….the 
prophecy says
 that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world 
peace,
 and when he is in power, will destroy everything..

Do we recog nize this description??

I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to post this as many times as

 

You can!  Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or  
media outlet..do it!

I refuse to take a chance on this unknown candidate who came out of  
nowhere.

From: Dr. John Tisdale 0D
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Wait: there is more.
 
Dear Friends,

 

 As I was listening to a news program last night, I watched in horror as  
Barack Obama made the statement with pride. . .”we are no longer a
 
Christian nation; we are now a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims,
 
Buddhists, . . .”  As with so many other statements I’ve heard him (and
 
his wife) make, I never thought I’d see the day that I’d hear something
 
like that from a presidential candidate in this nation.  To think our
 
forefathers fought and died for the right for our nation to be a
 
Christian nation–and to have this man say with pride that we are no
 
longer that.  How far this nation has come from what our founding
 
fathers intended it to be.

I hope that each of you will do what I’m doing now–send your concerns,  
written simply and sincerely, to the Christians on your email list. 
 
With God’s help, and He is still in control of this nation and all
 else, we can show this man and the world in Novemeber that we are, indeed, still a Christian nation!

Please pray for our Nation!

I could not take it any more, so I replied to all:

I am sorry to do this folks, but I can not let this go unanswered.  For those who do not know me, or care what I am writng just delete this.

First of the all the name of the book in the Bible is Revelation (also known as the Revelation to John or the Apocalypse of John) not Revelations.  If you are going to use it as a reference get it right.  It was written to be a source of hope for Christians being persecuted by Rome.

Secondly, I thought the anti-Christ was to be a communist from Russia?  A revolutionary from China?  I can not tell you how many of these emails I have gotten.  As far as I can tell these “prophets” seem to think the anti-Christ is anyone who is the enemy of the blessed USA.

Thirdly, We are not a Christian nation.  We are a nation.  Many of the founding Fathers were Deists (a major movement during the Age of Enlightenment) not Christians.  Meaning they believed in Supreme Creator; however, that creator does not intervene in its normal operation.  Deism rejected the supernatural acts of that creator.  Deists did not believe in the Triune God, the divinty of Jesus, the inerrency of the Scriptures, but did believe in the Creator.  Deism eventually evolved into Uniersalism and later Unitarian Universalism.

 

Our constitution (which turned 221 yesterday) states:

a.) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. (1st amendment)

Meaning there is no State religion, and there shall never be be one.

b.) The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. (Article VI Clause III)

This totally refutes the notion that the United States should disqualify someone from office because of their relgious persuasion.

As for the fact that this particular senator had a father who was a cultural-non practicing Muslim is beside the point.  This man running for office is a Christian and has been since going forward and making a public profession of faith in 1988. 

This man when he says we are a nation of many faiths is speaking not only as a Christian who realizes that the Grace of God surpasses anything we can understand, but aslo as a Constitutional scholar and lawyer.

I humbly ask, please, if you are going to spread emails of the sort below do the research and think before you hit send.  To spread misinformation and faulty intrepration of not only the Constitution but the Bible is something that we should be smarter than.

 

Thanks
Justin

EDIT:  Someone replied to my email with the folling addedum…

Islam was not evena religion when the book of Revelation was written.  The X-tian cannon as it is was put together between 367 and 419.  The prophet Muhammad was not born until 570.

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7 responses to “Fed Up!

  • WonderGoon

    A very well worded and logically argued rely. Well done.

  • susq

    hehehe…good job Mr. God FATHA!

  • Sally

    If I could be as eloquent on my best day as you are first thing in the morning, I would count myself fortunate.

  • Scott

    Well I did not expect this to attract the audience it did from those that I forwarded this to. That alone would tell us something about Human Nature. We are all searching for some level of truth and when times start getting tough we resume that search. Usually we look at these things and just delete or forward them for a laugh. For some reason we are all looking for a deeper meaning from what comes before us these days.

    Are we in the “End Times”? Certainly from the time of Christ’s return to the Father we have been in the end times. Each generation has wondered if they are in the “Last Days” of the “End Times”. Those of us that have been on this earth for a few years have no doubt asked the same question. Hard times or not we have been under stress and looked at life through those eyes asking that question.

    So what makes the presidential election of 2008 any different than any other political contest we have lived through? We have seen the “Wars and Rumors of Wars” in our lifetimes before. Vietnam was a full scale war, tied to our struggle with Communism, as the leaders of the free world. I don’t think any of us were in WWII but our fathers or grandfathers were and that was a struggle between good and evil. The smaller scale skirmishes leading up to this current effort in Iraq may be more rumor than all out war. If the U.S. is one of the lost 12 tribes of Israel then why are we warring with another of those tribes in the cradle of civilization? We can see why the efforts on our part in Vietnam or Korea needed to be. That is now that we can look back and see what Communism represents with the fall of Russia. WWII was certainly necessary and a war to prevent the spread of a greater evil. Most importantly though was the establishment and support of the Jews in their home land. So we can see purpose in conflicts of the past and maybe even come to terms with those events in history that we have lived close to. Now in 10 or 20 years what will we or our children say about the current conflict in Iraq? Certainly as you say Linda, we are indeed living in troubled times if not closer to the “Last Days”. If we look deeper into this and ask the questions like: why are we the policemen of the world? Was the US so blessed by God so that we would have the power to set into motion the events we see shaping up today? Is one of the most significant events of our lifetimes, and maybe one of the key events in end time prophecy, the return of the Jews to the holy land? Is Iran’s clear purpose of taking over the Holy Land a key to understanding the current US conflict in Iraq? Will the battle over oil in the Middle East be more important to the US than protection of the Jews? Is it coincidence that the largest supplies of oil are found in the Middle East where Christ will set up his throne when he returns? Should we forsake our ties with our allies to focus within and deal with our own problems rather than being the policemen of the world? Does the US have the will to soon deal with Iran? Are the US and Britain indeed two of the original lost tribes of Israel? Is the US on the decline as a society? Who will be the next Super Power? China? The European Union, as the resurrected Holy Roman Empire? Is the US standing in the way of the next phase of End Time developments.

    When we look at a cartoon like the one about Obama why are we giving a second thought to the idea of him being the Anti Christ. Obviously we are concerned and need to re-read those scriptures related to the Last Days. We all know that as that time gets closer the Book of Revelation will have more meaning to us. We may decide that this is taken Wayyyyy out of context to attack a nice young man trying to become the president of the last remaining Super Power. Can we see a person like Obama in that position? We endured Clinton for his term and barely survived as a Super Power. Our forefathers obviously were driven to a purpose for a purpose and a purpose that was bigger than just the melting pot experiment. Are we still driven for a purpose or has that purpose been fulfilled? Or are we now moving to a different purpose in the affairs of the world. Certainly we cannot just believe that the US became as powerful as it has been for no big picture purpose in the plan being worked out here below. How does Obama fit into that plan? If we believe the fundamental principle that the US is playing a huge part in world affairs and world history then what part would we say Obama would bring us into on the world scene? Clinton certainly played a part in world affairs by setting us up for the World Trade Center attacks. I say setting us up because of his lack of involvement in global affairs and an awareness of terrorist activities. Does Obama want us to be a part of the world or be in control of the world? We are at a turning point in US history if we elect someone like Obama. Maybe not on the scale of Rev. 13, but certainly significant enough to change the course of this country’s history. So maybe Obama is not the Anti Christ however, he may be his helper by getting the US out of the way.

    I just have to address your comment about the 6 million Indians. If you remember the principle of “Manifest Destiny” we learned about in US History and add to that Bible Prophesy, one may begin to understand why the Indians were here and their purpose in world history. I understand this is bringing many of you out with the racism claws. Hold those in for a minute and bear with me with this unpopular line of thinking. We are all Christians in different stages of our development and at the end of the day we are seeking truth and answers to the many questions we have. So I am not by any means any kind of final authority or may not even have a clue but, in one way of reading the account of Creation in Genesis we see there were two creations of man. Man in the image of man and man in the image of the creator. Men outside the garden were the indigenous people of the world put on the earth for the purpose of caring for the earth and the other creations therein, that was the first creation. Man in the Garden was the second creation of man in Gods image. Now if one believes that the US is one for the lost tribes of Israel and that the Settlers would not have survived that first winter without the help of the Indians (Indigenous peoples that were place here by the Creator) then we can figure out why we needed them to get the US to the point it is today in the world with the help of those Indians that we later wiped out. This is all big picture stuff and where we need place things when we do not understand such events in history. Just as the US may now be on the decline because its purpose in big picture events may be coming to its end.

    Do we want to stay with the traditional values that this country was founded upon or go a different direction? That is what this election represents to me. If it is time for the US to go a different direction then the majority will decide that. I will then be in the minority!

    Please God continue to Bless America

    Scott

  • Larry McAwful

    Another thing: the anti-Christ isn’t even mentioned in the Book of Revelation. It’s mentioned in the First and Second Letters of John, but not Revelation.

    Also: anyone who has ever read the Bible knows that no physical description of the anti-Christ is offered, nor is his (or her) age mentioned. This Dr. Tisdale is clearly a fraud.

  • Philologus Berean Atherton

    And some other things:

    By the 13th chapter of Revelation some events of “end times” has happened which in our time has not yet happened. Bible prophecy will surely occur in the order it says it will happen.

    The Bible says 42 months, not 48. “Almost” 48 months is not God’s way. When God’s Word says Christ rose on the 3rd day, it was specifically exact. 40 days of rain was 40 days of rain, not 40 days give-or-take 6 months. Ditto with other biblical statements regarding specifically mentioned times.

    As has already been said, the Bible does not say the anti-Christ will be a man in his 40’s of Muslim descent. But let’s also deal with the e-mail’s implication that Obama is Muslim. He’s not. Even John McCain himself has said that.

    Regarding “Christian Nation”. What would that be? A Christian nation would be one in which Christ was looked to as it’s Ruler; and where all the laws were based on Christ’s ways, Word, and will. Compare this realistically to America and you’ll see we are far from at that point. Abortion is legal. Divorce is legal. Homosexual marriage is legal in at least 3 states of America. Putting up a nativity set on town property at Christmas has been refused on legal grounds; (ditto with merely displaying the Ten Commandments). Our courts are not Christian. Our schools are not Christian, (if a teacher were to lead a class in group prayer using Christ’s name it would make the newspapers!). So, yes, while in one small sense we may be perceived as a Christian nation, but in other senses we clearly are not. (Not to mention that there are more Jews in New York City than in the whole country of Israel, there are many mosques scattered all through the U.S., etc. We are indeed a nation of Christians; BUT also of Muslims, and also of Jews, and of tens of other faiths. How can this statistical reality be denied?)

    The above paragraph not withstanding, Obama didn’t actually say we were NOT a Christian nation. He said we are no longer “JUST” a Christian nation. And that statement is correct. A point could be made that we once WERE a Christian nation, (though as has been already added, it would be better said that we were perhaps a Deistic nation); but we are surely no longer “JUST” a Christian nation. A good analogy of this would be how Yale and Harvard (as just two examples) WERE Christian schools, but today are not.

    And who in the world is this “Dr. John Tisdale”? Where did he receive his theological training? At what church does he pastor, or at what bible school does he lead or teach? Does he have any respectable credentials? I’ve been in Christian ministry for decades, and have never heard of him. Has anybody?

    Bottom-line, the e-mail had lots of mis-information, inaccuracies, and wrong implications. Obama may not be the best presidential candidates, but he’s certainly not the anti-Christ.

    FWIW: I’m voting for McCain, and I’m also honoring his statements about desiring to maintain a clean, truthful campaign. After all, to those who know and follow THE TRUTH, shouldn’t truth matter? (Else… we are of all men the most pitiable.)

    Love-Joy-Grace-n-Peace-out!

    – pba

  • Isabelle

    Revelation in a nut shell for those to understand; first there are 3 anti-christ mentioned in the Bible.

    In Revelation they are described as monsters with several eyes and horns. Well, so is Christ; at first, that is a different story.

    About the 3 anti-christ.

    First anti-christ, Satan calls one of his beasts from the sea. This one will take the form of a world leader and convince everyone to follow him as he will bring order. It does NOT say it will be a leader in the US.

    Second anti-christ, Satan will call another beast from the land. This will take the form of a Holy man and preach and convince everyone to follow him as he will bring peace. Again, it does not say where. However, in Latin the number triple 6’s mean evil one or Satan, so it is thought to be a Holy man from Rome. Who knows.

    The 3rd anti Christ is Satan himself.

    There will be a Holy war, famine, earthquakes, floods, fires, etc. Eventually Christ defeats Satan and will bind and through him down into a pit for 1000 years while Christ fixes everything here.
    After 1000 years Satan again will be free to roam and do his dirty work and then Christ will take his people who have always believed and destroy Satan, and everything including the Earth. That’s the short version.

    Whether you vote for McCain or Obama, and I don’t know what Bible any of you are reading, but NO WHERE does it state there will be a 40 yr. old Muslim to lead us into destuction. I think we are all doing that quite well ourselves. This includes bigots like Mr. John Tisdale.

    As far as what Obama said, we are a Nation of many faiths. Jews, Muslim, Hindu….just as we are a Nation of different Nationalities. Did anyone ever open their minds when he made that speech in the beginning of the campaign? He was nervous, I would be too. He’s touching on a lot of supjects that he is not sure how people are going to respond to. But to be that narrow minded as to refer to him as the anti-christ?

    I really think you better read Rev. 13 again Mr. John Tisdale. On the other hand, one great thing you have done for many people is; got them to read their Bible and Thank You for that.

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